1920s Locomotives.

1920s Locomotives.
Lord Nelson and Gladstone, May 1927..

Sunday 16 March 2014

95-110. A curious roll of film 2.

Another batch - again, observations for captions gratefully received.
95. Now you see them, now you don't...  Two photos of 330, with human attendants, and without. I am told one has appeared in Steam World recently accredited to Rail Archive Stephenson.


96. Presumably:  98/30098 (but never wore BR number), Adams/Drummond Class B4 built Nine Elms 30.11.1893, withdrawn 1949, served in Southampton Docks. Thanks to http://www.railuk.info.

97. 102 Granville (30102), Class B4 Adams/Drummond as picture 96. Served mostly at Eastleigh Works. Withdrawn 30/9/1963 and sold to Butlins, Ayr for display. Bought by Bressingham in 1971 and preserved. It is pictured here around the 1920s or earlier.

98. LSWR 448 - Class P14. The number was taken by an N15 by 1944, Sir Tristram, one of the second batch of Arthurs which are said to have replaced G14s.  The original LSWR 448 was Adams Class 445, moved to the duplicate list around 1911 to be replaced with P14s (are these the same as G14?). P14s were withdrawn and broken up in 1925, a testament to their ineffectiveness. Peter Smart notes:  The P14 and G14 classes were similar with detail only differences, the earlier G14s (all built 1908,) were built at Nine Elms and the P14s at Eastleigh in 1910/11. 

99. LSWR 445 Class T14. Mostly the T14s worked on the Bournemouth and Salisbury routes. They were nicknamed 'Paddleboxes' or 'Paddleboats' because their wheel casings resembles a paddle steamer. These casings were generally an operational nuisance.

100. LSWR 449 Class P14. Peter Smart says: I think that this photo was taken long before scrapping in 1925.It is outside Eastleigh Works in December 1910 or early in January 1911.


101. LSWR 449.Peter Smart says: Photo 101 shows 449 after rebuilding with a superheated boiler and and was the only P14 so treated. It was this loco that was modified by Maunsell with cranks set at 135 degrees for the Lord Nelson tests. 

 102. LSWR 443 Class T14 when new, 1911-12.

103. LSWR 443 Class T14 again

104. LSWR 453 Class G14 when new. Peter Smart says:  Photo 104 &105, LSWR G14 number 453 at Nine Elms when first rolled out in shops grey with black and white lining for the official photographs as first of the class in April 1908.

105. LSWR 453 again. Five G14s were built in 1908, and all were substantially rebuilt to become the second batch of N15s, King Arthurs, bearing the same numbers.


106. T9 No. 773 on ceremonial duty. Geoff Smith says (thanks! I am so impressed!):
 I believe 773 is conveying Kitchener from Southampton to Waterloo after the South African War. Other specials conveyed Redvers Buller and Joseph Chamberlain, with an appropriately lettered disc below the chimney. Geoff continues: A C.H.Eden picture (in LSWR Album - Bradley - pub Ian Allen) of the Kitchener train at Southampton identifies the T9 as 773 and the date 12th July 1902 . He adds: 'The Times' of 14th July confirms the engine and says it "carried in front a portrait of Lord Kitchener surrounded by laurel leaves and surmounted with a capital 'K' in gold". Changed to a GWR engine at Basingstoke, thence to Paddington. Doesn't seem to have been reported in The Railway Magazine. The portrait can be clearly seen.


This card is also in the collection

and a close-up

107. LSWR 463, before a D15 took this number.

108. LSWR 463 as a Class D15. Peter Smart says:   The photo was taken at Nine Elms in March 1912 when the loco was first rolled out. It is in shops or photographic grey, fully lined out in black and white for it official photograph as the first of the D15 class.

108B. LSWR 463, again. Peter Smart:  D15 number 463 at Eastleigh after fitting of a superheated boiler in October 1916. Note the extended smoke box which is cylindrical and rests on a separate saddle.

109. LSWR 421 Class L12 decorated for a state visit. (Geoff Smith)


110. LSWR 464  D15 number 464 when first superheated in May 1915, photographed at Eastleigh in the Works yard.



13 comments:

  1. I think that my general feeling about this batch of prints is that CH, with a deep interest in engines, has collected a range of available pictures and asked a photo lab to clean them up, much as I am doing now (but of course using dark room technology). I have paperwork confirming this close relationship with a particular photo lab. Thus in this sequence there are several versions of 463, much as there were five phases of 720 shown in the previous post.

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  2. Photo 106 The lower photo shows a similarly decorated loco but this is a T9, notice the taller dome with the safety valves protruding much more than on the L12 above.

    Peter Smart

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  3. Photo 108. The photo was taken at Nine Elms in March 1912 when the loco was first rolled out. It is in shops or photographic grey, fully lined out in black and white for it official photograph as the first of the D15 class.

    Peter Smart

    Photo 109 D15 number 463 at Eastleigh after fitting of a superheated boiler in October 1916. Note the extended smoke box which is cylindrical and rests on a separate saddle.

    Photo 110 D15 number 464 when first superheated in May 1915, also photographed at Eastleigh in the Works yard.

    Peter Smart.

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  4. Reference photo 98. The P14 and G14 classes were similar with detail only differences, the earlier G14s (all built 1908,) were built at Nine Elms and the P14s at Eastleigh in 1910/11.

    Peter Smart

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  5. 106 upper is almost certainly decorated for a state visit.

    106 lower I believe is conveying Kitchener from Southampton to Waterloo after the South African War. Other specials conveyed Redvers Buller and Joseph Chamberlain, with an appropriately lettered disc below the chimney.

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    1. A C.H.Eden picture (in LSWR Album - Bradley - pub IA) of the Kitchener train at Southampton identifies the T9 as 773 and the date 12th July 1902 .

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    2. 'The Times' of 14th July confirms the engine and says it "carried in front a portrait of Lord Kitchener surrounded by laurel leaves and surmounted with a capital 'K' in gold". Changed to a GWR engine at Basingstoke, thence to Paddington. Doesn't seem to have been reported in The Railway Magazine.

      Geoff Smith

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    3. Geoff, 2 new pictures of Kitchener now added. Stephen

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    4. A GWR notice gives some timings :
      Southampton West 1045
      Basingstoke 1145-50
      Paddington 1250
      Formed "five 8-wheel vehicles".
      "Empty vehicles to be handed back to the L&SW Co at Lillie Bridge."

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  6. Re header picture :
    'Gladstone' was exhibited with E850 at Waterloo on 14th May 1927, and she left Battersea for York on 23rd. Unless they met again elsewhere, mid May would seem to be the date.

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  8. Photo 100 LSWR 449 P14 Class. I think that this photo was taken long before scrapping in 1925.It is outside Eastleigh Works in December 1910 or early in January 1911.

    Photo 101 shows 449 after rebuilding with a superheated boiler and and was the only P14 so treated. It was this loco that was modified by Maunsell with cranks set at 135 degrees for the Lord Nelson tests.

    Peter Smart.

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  9. Photo 104 &105, LSWR G14 number 453 at Nine Elms when first rolled out in shops grey with back and white lining for the official photographs as first of the class in April 1908.

    Peter Smart.

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